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		<title>By: mccauley@vsb.org</title>
		<link>http://valawyersweekly.com/2012/06/06/lawyer-can-blog-about-cases-with-disclaimer/comment-page-1/#comment-31250</link>
		<dc:creator>mccauley@vsb.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Mon, 11 Jun 2012 14:52:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Lawyers can speak or blog about their cases without identifying their clients.  They can even disclose actual client identity as long as the disclosure would not likely be detrimental or embarrassing to the client.  Lawyers can advertise (with the required disclaimer) that they won a $5 Million dollar verdict in a personal injury case without disclosing the client&#039;s identity or report on the actual case with the client identified as long as they have either obtained the client&#039;s consent or the case report does not disclose information that is detrimental or embarrassing.  Yes, I would monitor and keep track of those endorsements and keep a file on them,  If the client endorses you, you do not have the client consent issue because they are generating the endorsement.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Lawyers can speak or blog about their cases without identifying their clients.  They can even disclose actual client identity as long as the disclosure would not likely be detrimental or embarrassing to the client.  Lawyers can advertise (with the required disclaimer) that they won a $5 Million dollar verdict in a personal injury case without disclosing the client&#8217;s identity or report on the actual case with the client identified as long as they have either obtained the client&#8217;s consent or the case report does not disclose information that is detrimental or embarrassing.  Yes, I would monitor and keep track of those endorsements and keep a file on them,  If the client endorses you, you do not have the client consent issue because they are generating the endorsement.</p>
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		<title>By: cob@gbolawfirm.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>cob@gbolawfirm.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 09 Jun 2012 15:51:55 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>James,  do you think that the use of initials would be wrong?  I think many lawyers who are not as established are balancing the marketing advice -&quot;the public only really cares about results, if you get that you get clients,&quot; with protecting their clients privacy.  I really respect your opinion, but for good ethical attorneys to keep the lights on, we have to bring in clients.  Our firm is working on our WEB site now - so your opinion would be invaluable.  Also, would you keep a file on any &quot;endorsements&quot; you publish?  I assume you should get a signature from the client and maybe use initials.  Crystina O&#039;Brien</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>James,  do you think that the use of initials would be wrong?  I think many lawyers who are not as established are balancing the marketing advice -&#8221;the public only really cares about results, if you get that you get clients,&#8221; with protecting their clients privacy.  I really respect your opinion, but for good ethical attorneys to keep the lights on, we have to bring in clients.  Our firm is working on our WEB site now &#8211; so your opinion would be invaluable.  Also, would you keep a file on any &#8220;endorsements&#8221; you publish?  I assume you should get a signature from the client and maybe use initials.  Crystina O&#8217;Brien</p>
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		<title>By: mccauley@vsb.org</title>
		<link>http://valawyersweekly.com/2012/06/06/lawyer-can-blog-about-cases-with-disclaimer/comment-page-1/#comment-31247</link>
		<dc:creator>mccauley@vsb.org</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 19:14:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ ben:  what Judge Melvin dictacted at the hearing is essentially what Rule 7.2(a)(3) requires insofar as the content of the disclaimer.

@ van:  The lead sentence (to be accurate), at least in my judgment, should read:  &quot;A lawyer did not violate [his duty of confidentiality] or [Rule 1.6] when he wrote about his cases on the Internet without client consent, a three-judge panel said on June 5.  More importantly that is not the court&#039;s ruling.  The court ruled that the District Committee deterimination was &quot;contrary to law&quot; as Rule 1.6 was unconstitutional as applied to Mr. Hunter.  The Court did rule that Hunter did not violate Rule 1.6, it said Rule 1.6 as applied to his case violated Hunter&#039;s first amendment rights.  That&#039;s a significant distinction and another reason why this posting is not accurate.

As far as speaking in public about case results, I agree with you that it would be awkward or unwieldy to use the disclaimer.  That is why the lead off language in Rule 7.2 speaks to advertising through written, recorded or electronic communications.  The intent is to require the disclaimer where the case results are either read, or in broadcast media, the disclaimer must be displayed with the ad.  In person communications are regulated by Rules 7.1 and 7.3, not 7.2.

Van, you shouldn&#039;t be publicizing your client&#039;s cases at a cocktail party, on the Internet or anwhere else, particularly if you are disclosing their actual name, which is what Mr. Hunter did.   I assume you would not reveal the actual identity of your clients in those settings.  How about this hyopthetical scenario:  I put on my website “suppressed 3 pounds of cocaine in the case of Commonwealth v. Ben Glass, resulting in the dismissal of Mr. Glass’s charges.”  That’s part of the public record, but to disclose such information is clearly to both embarrass and act detrimentally to the client.  I cannot imagine I have the right to say this.  And I cannot imagine why Mr. Glass would permit me to publicize that.  It may be factually correct, all part of the public record, but clearly inappropriate for me to publicize.  Why is it that lawyer so shamelessly put their right of self-promotion over the cleint or former client&#039;s interests to not have their lawyer trash them in the media?

@Ben:  there is a difference if the media does the trial report.  That&#039;s the media&#039;s job--to report the news.  The lawyer&#039;s job is to protect the client, not use their case as a marketing tool without their consent.  If the lawyer does the trial report, they should be getting client consent if they are going to disclose facts about the client that would likely be detrimental or embarrassing to the client.  Again, the focus seems to be lawyer-centered instead of client centered.  Lawyers that care more about protecting their clients instead of their own self promotion don&#039;t make these reports.  Let the media properly report the news, but I don&#039;t need my lawyer to be blathering about my case unless I consent.  The fact that lawyers blithely ignore these considerations and report case results to the media does not make it ethical.  The pervasiveness of ethical misconduct does not transform it into ethical behavior.  As the Supreme Court observed in Shea v. Virginia State Bar, the fact that an unethical practice is widespread does not make it any less improper.

To both Ben and Van:  As I stated in my first post, your First Amendment rights are not absolute.  When you chose to be lawyers you also became subject to the rules of the profession.  Rule 3.6 imposes restraints on lawyer speech as does Rule 8.2 and so does Rule 1.6.  While free speech interests are important, they are not the only interests the law and society are obliged to protect.  Rules 3.6 and 8.2 have withstood constitutional challenge and I suspect Rule 1.6 will also.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ ben:  what Judge Melvin dictacted at the hearing is essentially what Rule 7.2(a)(3) requires insofar as the content of the disclaimer.</p>
<p>@ van:  The lead sentence (to be accurate), at least in my judgment, should read:  &#8220;A lawyer did not violate [his duty of confidentiality] or [Rule 1.6] when he wrote about his cases on the Internet without client consent, a three-judge panel said on June 5.  More importantly that is not the court&#8217;s ruling.  The court ruled that the District Committee deterimination was &#8220;contrary to law&#8221; as Rule 1.6 was unconstitutional as applied to Mr. Hunter.  The Court did rule that Hunter did not violate Rule 1.6, it said Rule 1.6 as applied to his case violated Hunter&#8217;s first amendment rights.  That&#8217;s a significant distinction and another reason why this posting is not accurate.</p>
<p>As far as speaking in public about case results, I agree with you that it would be awkward or unwieldy to use the disclaimer.  That is why the lead off language in Rule 7.2 speaks to advertising through written, recorded or electronic communications.  The intent is to require the disclaimer where the case results are either read, or in broadcast media, the disclaimer must be displayed with the ad.  In person communications are regulated by Rules 7.1 and 7.3, not 7.2.</p>
<p>Van, you shouldn&#8217;t be publicizing your client&#8217;s cases at a cocktail party, on the Internet or anwhere else, particularly if you are disclosing their actual name, which is what Mr. Hunter did.   I assume you would not reveal the actual identity of your clients in those settings.  How about this hyopthetical scenario:  I put on my website “suppressed 3 pounds of cocaine in the case of Commonwealth v. Ben Glass, resulting in the dismissal of Mr. Glass’s charges.”  That’s part of the public record, but to disclose such information is clearly to both embarrass and act detrimentally to the client.  I cannot imagine I have the right to say this.  And I cannot imagine why Mr. Glass would permit me to publicize that.  It may be factually correct, all part of the public record, but clearly inappropriate for me to publicize.  Why is it that lawyer so shamelessly put their right of self-promotion over the cleint or former client&#8217;s interests to not have their lawyer trash them in the media?</p>
<p>@Ben:  there is a difference if the media does the trial report.  That&#8217;s the media&#8217;s job&#8211;to report the news.  The lawyer&#8217;s job is to protect the client, not use their case as a marketing tool without their consent.  If the lawyer does the trial report, they should be getting client consent if they are going to disclose facts about the client that would likely be detrimental or embarrassing to the client.  Again, the focus seems to be lawyer-centered instead of client centered.  Lawyers that care more about protecting their clients instead of their own self promotion don&#8217;t make these reports.  Let the media properly report the news, but I don&#8217;t need my lawyer to be blathering about my case unless I consent.  The fact that lawyers blithely ignore these considerations and report case results to the media does not make it ethical.  The pervasiveness of ethical misconduct does not transform it into ethical behavior.  As the Supreme Court observed in Shea v. Virginia State Bar, the fact that an unethical practice is widespread does not make it any less improper.</p>
<p>To both Ben and Van:  As I stated in my first post, your First Amendment rights are not absolute.  When you chose to be lawyers you also became subject to the rules of the profession.  Rule 3.6 imposes restraints on lawyer speech as does Rule 8.2 and so does Rule 1.6.  While free speech interests are important, they are not the only interests the law and society are obliged to protect.  Rules 3.6 and 8.2 have withstood constitutional challenge and I suspect Rule 1.6 will also.</p>
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		<title>By: ben@benglasslaw.com</title>
		<link>http://valawyersweekly.com/2012/06/06/lawyer-can-blog-about-cases-with-disclaimer/comment-page-1/#comment-31245</link>
		<dc:creator>ben@benglasslaw.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 09:23:47 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also, regarding the issue of not getting the client&#039;s permission, how is Hunter&#039;s blog any different from the numerous trial reports that appear in this and other publications every week? Those reports often include the names of clients and their medical conditions.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also, regarding the issue of not getting the client&#8217;s permission, how is Hunter&#8217;s blog any different from the numerous trial reports that appear in this and other publications every week? Those reports often include the names of clients and their medical conditions.</p>
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		<title>By: van@vandefense.com</title>
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		<dc:creator>van@vandefense.com</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 07 Jun 2012 04:12:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Jim, I think the accuracy of the lead sentence is predicated on the idea that he didn&#039;t violate the rules when he published without client consent, but when he failed to include a disclaimer.  I too was disappointed upon further reading, as this case should never have been brought in the first place.  Ben raises a good issue, because this type of thing can be applied to all of us under any circumstances.  Suppose I tell some people at a cocktail party about a case I tried, thus publicizing it to anyone who might happen to overhear me.  If I fail to make a disclaimer, am I somehow subject to discipline because I didn&#039;t add that the listeners may have different results?  These disclaimers are a failure for three reasons.  First, they are insulting to the intelligence of blog readers, who can figure out the obvious - that every case is different.  Second, they are insulting to our profession by casting us in shades of unscrupulous motives and unethical practices - we adhere to the highest ethical standards of any profession, so why act as if we are dangerous villains preying on society?  Finally, the rules are very poorly understood due to their complexity, and only sporadically enforced due to the fact that the State Bar has much better things to do.  It&#039;s pretty simple my fellow lawyers, do we want to exercise the right of free speech which is guaranteed us by the Constitution, or do we want a government agency regulating our right to express ourselves truthfully and ethically in public forums?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Jim, I think the accuracy of the lead sentence is predicated on the idea that he didn&#8217;t violate the rules when he published without client consent, but when he failed to include a disclaimer.  I too was disappointed upon further reading, as this case should never have been brought in the first place.  Ben raises a good issue, because this type of thing can be applied to all of us under any circumstances.  Suppose I tell some people at a cocktail party about a case I tried, thus publicizing it to anyone who might happen to overhear me.  If I fail to make a disclaimer, am I somehow subject to discipline because I didn&#8217;t add that the listeners may have different results?  These disclaimers are a failure for three reasons.  First, they are insulting to the intelligence of blog readers, who can figure out the obvious &#8211; that every case is different.  Second, they are insulting to our profession by casting us in shades of unscrupulous motives and unethical practices &#8211; we adhere to the highest ethical standards of any profession, so why act as if we are dangerous villains preying on society?  Finally, the rules are very poorly understood due to their complexity, and only sporadically enforced due to the fact that the State Bar has much better things to do.  It&#8217;s pretty simple my fellow lawyers, do we want to exercise the right of free speech which is guaranteed us by the Constitution, or do we want a government agency regulating our right to express ourselves truthfully and ethically in public forums?</p>
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		<title>By: Ben Glass</title>
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		<dc:creator>Ben Glass</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 22:01:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>So is what Judge Melvin dictated now the standard for the disclaimer? Is the VSB appealing that or does his dictation have any force and effect at all?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>So is what Judge Melvin dictated now the standard for the disclaimer? Is the VSB appealing that or does his dictation have any force and effect at all?</p>
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		<title>By: James McCauley</title>
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		<dc:creator>James McCauley</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 06 Jun 2012 16:41:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I am having difficulty understanding the accuracy of  the lead sentence in this post, when in fact you later indicate that Mr. Hunter was found to have violated Rules 7.1 and 7.2.  In regard to whether Rule 1.6 violates a lawyer&#039;s freedom of speech, I would offer the observation that when a person becomes a lawyer there are appropriate circumstances when the lawyer&#039;s right of free speech is circumscribed by the Rules of Professional Conduct that the lawyer has taken oath to uphold as a member of the legal profession.  See Rules 3.6 and 8.2 of the Rules of Professional Conduct.  Under those specific rules, the lawyer does not enjoy the same freedom of speech as an ordinary citizen.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I am having difficulty understanding the accuracy of  the lead sentence in this post, when in fact you later indicate that Mr. Hunter was found to have violated Rules 7.1 and 7.2.  In regard to whether Rule 1.6 violates a lawyer&#8217;s freedom of speech, I would offer the observation that when a person becomes a lawyer there are appropriate circumstances when the lawyer&#8217;s right of free speech is circumscribed by the Rules of Professional Conduct that the lawyer has taken oath to uphold as a member of the legal profession.  See Rules 3.6 and 8.2 of the Rules of Professional Conduct.  Under those specific rules, the lawyer does not enjoy the same freedom of speech as an ordinary citizen.</p>
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